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Sandi Martin on the Just Word Podcast

Originally Posted on The Just Word Podcast, July 2021

What matters to you and how you live your life are important things to think about and discuss with your financial advisor. Finding an advisor that encourages you to approach your own financial plan with a more individualistic and personalized structure will help to set you up for success with your investments.

Sandi explains that not everyone uses money as a scorecard for financial success. She encourages individuals to really take a look at what they value in life and how they spend their time to gain what truly matters to them.

“If financial planning is done well, then the result will have the client feeling more organized when risk occurs. Financial planners should be professional and have ethics so that they live up to the spirit of that standard to benefit the people we serve.”

– Sandi Martin

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How much has the pandemic hurt your retirement plans? We delve into the retirement portfolios of two couples hit hard by COVID-19 to see what damage was done

Originally published in The Toronto Star on February 9, 2021

It’s challenging enough in normal times for retirees to find the retirement lifestyle that best fits their personal needs and finances at the same time.

But the pandemic makes it even trickier by knocking many retirement plans off-kilter.

In what follows, we describe how two couples — whose names we’ve changed to protect their privacy — have had to adjust their retirement lifestyles and spending after being impacted by COVID-19 in different ways.We start with Deborah and Daryl Burton, a Toronto twosome in their early 70s who both contracted COVID-19 early in the pandemic. While Daryl recovered quickly with no lasting effects, Deborah is among the group known as “long-haulers” who suffer lingering symptoms.

Investment setbacks unrelated to the pandemic have forced them to reduce their budget, although coronavirus restrictions and Deborah’s health issues limit activities they can spend money on now anyway.

We then check in on Emma and Warren Fletcher, both in their late 50s, who live in a small city near Greater Toronto’s edge. Warren was the family’s sole breadwinner when he suddenly lost his sales job early in the pandemic. At that point, the Fletchers were in reasonable financial shape but unsure whether they were quite ready for retirement. So they’ve had to review and adjust their plans to the new reality.

“Although these two couples experienced the pandemic very differently, both have been able to weather their individual challenges so far by adapting their spending to fit their circumstances and values,” says Sandi Martin, a certified financial planner and partner with Spring Financial Planning. Martin helped both couples prepare spending plans, which are shown in the accompanying table. (We also show average senior couples spending based on Statistics Canada data that I’ve adjusted.)

1. Sources of spending figures for the Burtons and the Fletchers: the couples themselves and Sandi Martin of Spring Financial Planning, who helped the couples prepare financial plans. The names of the couples have been changed to protect their privacy.

2. Shelter excludes mortgage payments and includes property taxes, utilities, maintenance, repairs and home insurance. The home and garden category includes the costs of furnishings, appliances, cleaning supplies, garden supplies, and garden services. Communication includes internet, TV and cable services, streaming services, landline phone, and cellphones. Spending on cigarettes and tobacco where applicable is included in the restaurants, alcohol category.

3. Source of average senior couples spending figures is the Statistics Canada Survey of Household Spending for 2016 for seniors 65 and older, as adapted by the author. I have defined the spending categories above and aggregated the detailed data into those categories. I have also adjusted the data for actual and projected inflation to reflect current purchasing power. Statistics Canada has not reviewed nor endorsed the adjustments and adaptations that I have made using their data.

4. The Fletchers have two children in university currently living at home. The children’s living costs included in the Fletchers’ budget are estimated at roughly $10,000 and is mainly comprised of costs related to groceries, vehicles, and communications. Tuition and other university costs are covered by RESPs and summer jobs and are not included here.

The Burtons

The Burtons picked up COVID-19 in March. While Daryl recovered quickly, Deborah continues to experience problems with breathing, fatigue and “brain fog” (although she’s long past being contagious).

With the help of their Christian beliefs, Deborah tries to stay positive. She believes her “long-hauler” symptoms are receding, albeit very slowly. “It’s not fun but there’s nothing I can do about it,” says Deborah. “You can go down with it or you can look ahead with hope.”

The Burtons have been retired for about 15 years. Recently they’ve been forced to face difficult spending choices after seeing their nest egg whittled down by poor investment results over many years. For now, their overall spending budget is roughly $75,000 a year (not counting what they spend on taxes). While that above-average amount is far from hardship, it’s nonetheless disappointing compared to what they thought they could afford previously.

“They recognize they’re still very fortunate,” says Martin. “They’re quite happy they can find some balance, even though it’s not optimal, between feeling comfortable on their spending on themselves while helping their kids, church and community.”

Despite reduced means, they continue to put a high priority on spending both time and money for the benefit of their church, other charities, and their two children’s families, which includes three grandchildren. They now budget almost $12,000 for charities and gifts to family members.

“That’s something we like to do,” says Daryl. “We’ve heard stories of people with lots of money and they (leave it in their wills) to people they would like to give it to and that’s fine. But they never had the joy of seeing what it could do to the people they are giving it to while they were alive.”

While their restrictive budget is necessary for now, they hope to justify adding to it at some point. Years of disappointing investment results lead the Burtons to convert their portfolio into cash. When they subsequently enlisted Martin’s help with financial planning, she recommended conservative spending limits that reflected ultralow returns expected from a nest egg invested in that manner.

Their budget allocates nothing to travel and some other activities they enjoy (which they can’t do now anyway because of the pandemic and Deborah’s health issues). Meanwhile, they’ve started working with a new investment adviser recommended by Martin to create a balanced stock and fixed-income portfolio that should generate better returns over the long-term. As a result, they’re hoping to justify a bit more spending leeway when their budget is next updated, ideally around the end of the pandemic when more activities are possible.

In normal times, with the budget they enjoyed in the past, they liked to travel to visit friends and family in Europe and elsewhere in Canada, or travel with their children while picking up the costs. The Burtons both like to stay fit with walking or hiking and Daryl likes golf. They enjoy live theatre and taking grandkids to the Royal Ontario Museum and Ontario Science Centre. In pandemic times, they’ve kept in contact with their kids and grandkids by Zoom. “Because of my illness we weren’t able to do driveway visits” last summer and fall, says Deborah.

They spend a hefty $31,000 a year for rent and utilities on a 800-square-foot apartment in central Toronto. While they could find a cheaper place, they enjoy its comforts, and it’s close to their children, friends, and church. They consider it home and so would be reluctant to give it up.

The Fletchers

The Fletchers are a couple in their late 50s who provide a textbook example of how to build a sizable nest egg for retirement. They did so through frugal living, diligent saving and savvy do-it-yourself investing. They’ve achieved that mainly on one income, after Emma left her professional career early on to become a stay-at-home mom for their two kids. Warren earned a good professional salary, but was never a particularly high-income earner.

When Warren’s employer laid him off suddenly in March early in the COVID crisis, they were tempted but unsure about the prospect of retirement. They knew they had done a good job squirrelling away money, but they weren’t certain they were fully ready financially and psychologically to start drawing money out.

“I needed a financial coach to say ‘you’re going to be fine,’” says Warren, about enlisting Martin’s help. “You get to the point where you’re so used to being a bit of squirrel, it’s a bit of psychological hump that I’m still working on getting over,” he says. “When it comes time to tap into it, we don’t want to continue to be real frugal when we don’t have to be. I don’t want to be some stingy guy who becomes the richest guy in the graveyard.”

After mulling over their finances and plans, the Fletchers did decide to turn Warren’s job loss into permanent retirement. Martin says it helped that they had a good handle on spending. “Because they had a good sense of what they needed to spend versus wanted to spend they could shift gears quite quickly,” she says.

The Fletchers allocate about $60,000 a year to ongoing, routine spending, plus $10,000 to support their two university-age children at home (which will end in a few years when they graduate). That lets them allocate almost $20,000 in discretionary spending for post-pandemic travel, bringing their total budget (not counting what they pay for income taxes) to around $90,000 a year. (Their income-tax bill in this budget is unusually high, and should be far less in a typical year.)

They like to eat well and spend an above-average amount on groceries. They live in a modest 1,500-square foot three-bedroom house and drive two reliable vehicles, both at least 10 years old.

They love cooking, gardening, walking, and camping. They spend carefully but are willing to pay up for quality when it counts. For example: “Camping is a low-cost activity, but buy good camping gear so you can enjoy it,” says Warren.

Warren has plans for renovation projects around the house. Emma is researching how to make the most of post-pandemic travel abroad with experiences rich in food, drink, history, culture and adventure. They will also visit friends elsewhere in Canada. They like to spend time visiting and helping their parents.

“I’ve watched some people retire and not know what to do with themselves,” says Emma. “I don’t think that’s an issue with us.”

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An investor’s guide to robo-advisors 2018

Originally published in MoneySense on April 29, 2018

When robo-advisors first burst on the scene a few years ago, they threatened to replace human advisors in situations where not much human help was needed. If you wanted more extensive human advice, you still had to pay up to go with a conventional advisor.

Now there’s a formidable new trend emerging. Increasingly, robo-advisors are teaming up with human advisors in new and creative ways to provide “hybrid” combinations that achieve the best of both worlds.

You get easy digital access and efficiency combined with whatever level of human expertise you need. You can expect to pay less in fees compared to amounts charged by conventional advisors. But often you also get more value from the advice because it can be concentrated where you need it most.

“Hybrid is where the future is going and everyone is converging into it,” says Kendra Thompson, global lead for wealth management at consultancy firm Accenture. Of course, the trend is still in its early stages and you will only see hints of it in today’s robo-advisor offerings.

It’s easy to get the misleading impression that robo-advisors are antagonistic rivals to human advisors. Fueling that impression are hard-hitting ads by robo-advisor Questrade Portfolio IQ, where everyday Canadian investors grill their sleazy-looking conventional advisors about why their fees are so high and their returns are so low.

But it’s clear that algorithms won’t replace quality human advice in more complex or nuanced situations, at least any time soon. If you need a comprehensive financial plan or want help coping with a market meltdown, you’re likely to want to turn to a trusted human advisor with high levels of financial expertise but also human qualities like communication skills and empathy.

Key to the hybrid partnership is freeing up good advisors to provide value-added advice while using technology to: provide transparent online account access across multiple devices, streamline administration, and take care of routine transactions like rebalancing. Most robo-advisors recognize their own limitations and see good human advisors as potential partners. “We think advisors who are delivering value will continue to thrive,” says Wealthsimple CEO Michael Katchen.

Humanizing the robos

The hybrid trend has several aspects. Firstly, some robo-advisors themselves are adding more human services like basic financial planning and dedicated human advisors. But the larger, long-term trend is robo-advisors and other fintech companies teaming up with outside financial planners and conventional advisory firms in just about every segment of the investment advice business.

Of course, the trend is still in its early days and much of the activity is behind the scenes. Nonetheless, Thompson points to a flurry of deals and huge sums of money that the major financial institutions are pouring into this area to show that the trend is unmistakable. “The type of transformation that is going on is unprecedented,” says Thompson. “The dialogue of robos vs. humans or old vs. new really misses the richness of what’s going on, which is an entire industry re-inventing itself to be more modern, more in line with what investors want to pay for, and to be more in line with the consumer experiences of today.”

In one of the simpler forms of hybrid collaborations, independent financial planners are referring investments to a robo-advisor while providing over-all financial planning services. Typically the financial planner has online digital “dashboard” access to the account and incorporates portfolio information into their financial plans. While the robo-advisor retains full responsibility for managing the investments and matching the client to the appropriate portfolio, the financial planner might fill the role of trusted human advisor who can prepare an in-depth financial plan but also counsel clients about all aspects of their finances.

That might include, for example, talking clients through their jitters during a market correction. The robo-advisor typically discounts their rates compared to what they charge regular clients because of reduced need for the robo-advisor’s services. With client permission, the robo-advisor may draw the planner’s fees from the robo-advisor investment account and remit them to the planner. Already hundreds of financial planners are working with robo-advisors in this way or something similar. (We’ll describe an example in a minute.)

But there is much more to the hybrid trend than that. At a more complex but profound level, robo-advisors and other fintech companies are providing much of the technology to help major financial institutions transform their conventional advice businesses. These partnerships range from situations where robo-advisors provide their complete investment platform, process, portfolio design, and brand to other “white label” situations where the robo-advisor only provides the underlying technology and platform and the conventional financial institution partner does the rest.

Because these transformations are so large and complex, they will take time and often start small with pilot programs in niche areas of the business, but no one doubts their potential. “Our vision is to become the platform of choice,” says Randy Cass, CEO of Nest Wealth, a robo-advisor in which National Bank Financial has a major investment.

Nest Wealth is partnering with National Bank Financial to introduce hybrid capabilities at the bank and has also cut hybrid-type deals with three other conventional advisory firms. Meanwhile, the Bank of Montreal’s BMO SmartFolio robo-advisor offering is available alongside full-service brokerage accounts in its BMO Nesbitt Burns division. In the right client situation, BMO SmartFolio allows brokers to spend less time on administration and reviewing client accounts, and more time on value-added activities like financial planning and estate planning, says Silvio Stroescu, head of digital investing at BMO Financial Group.

And while Wealthsimple hasn’t publicly specified how it might help transform Power Financial Corp.’s diversified financial services empire, the fact that Power Financial has acquired a controlling stake in Wealthsimple at least indicates interest if not intent. Other robo-advisors such as Invisor, Justwealth and WealthBar have also announced hybrid deals of varying size and significance.

Not just for millennials

Meanwhile the robo-advisor’s traditional direct-to-consumer offering continues to evolve. Many of the features that were novel a few years ago are more commonplace today. That includes:

  • digital access and communication through multiple devices;

  • construction of largely passive portfolios using low-cost ETFs;

  • online questionnaires that match new clients to the most appropriate portfolios for their circumstances;

  • paperless account initiation or “onboarding” process;

  • automated rebalancing of portfolios; and

  • availability (in most cases) of highly qualified portfolio managers working to a fiduciary standard to step in and provide limited human advice when needed.

Robo-advisors were originally thought to appeal particularly to millennials because of the demographic’s early embrace of digital technology, but the focus has shifted more towards older investors with larger balances. While some robo-advisors have gone after an older clientel from the get-go, others have more recently added features that are likely to have particular appeal to this group, like basic financial planning, tax-loss selling and portfolio managers dedicated to specific clients.

Wealthsimple

Wealthsimple* is the industry market share leader and millennial robo-advisor of choice with its cool marketing vibe, youthful executives, and socially responsible investing (SRI) options. But it introduced Wealthsimple Black for clients with balances over $100,000, providing lower fees, tax-loss harvesting and basic financial planning.

CEO Katchen says that Wealthsimple Black is the fastest growing segment of its business and that the firm has seen its average over-all client age shift to 34 from 29 a few years ago.

The company has more than 80 per cent of Canadian robo-advisor users as clients, according to Strategic Insights data cited by the company. It has also expanded to the U.S. and Britain. Wealthsimple announced in March that it had reached $2 billion in client assets and 65,000 clients, with the “majority” in Canada. It is the only Canadian robo-advisor to release client figures.

WealthBar

WealthBar has always designed portfolios to generate cash flow and reduce volatily, features of particular appeal to older investors. But it has added services like dedicated advisors and basic financial planning reviews by certified financial planners.

Its average client age now is about 48, says WealthBar CEO Tea Nicola. In addition to ETF-based portfolios, WealthBar also offers pooled funds in specialized asset classes like real estate, a product usually only available to large account clients at conventional advisors. “We democratize a high net wealth way of investing,” says Nicola.

Justwealth

Justwealth strives to appeal to older investors with larger balances by taking a relatively sophisticated approach to managing portfolios.

Instead of providing six to 10 set portfolio options, which is typical, it provides 65. That allows it, for example, to offer distinct non-registered portfolios which use tax-advantaged ETFs and emphasize asset classes with relatively favorable tax treatment.

Furthermore, it provides personalized (rather than robotic) tax loss harvesting. Justwealth also offers RESP target date portfolios that become more conservative as the beneficiary gets closer to needing the funds in university. Justwealth’s average client age is the mid-40s, says President Andrew Kirkland.

Nest Wealth

Nest Wealth has always gone after an older, richer demographic from the get-go with a fee structure that makes it comparatively cheap for exceptionally large accounts.

Its average age is 47. Says Nest Wealth CEO Randy Cass: “We were always thinking those that were suffering the most pain weren’t the ones who had one, two, three thousand dollars and were just starting out, but were the ones who had 50,000, 100,000, 200,000 or more dollars and were getting defaulted into really high fee products that weren’t in their best interest.”

Robo-advisors are also adding new products to broaden their appeal. Invisor uses a goals-based approach with tracking against goals for investments, but uses much of the same information to also identify insurance needs. Life insurance can then be obtained online, while the company is also developing online capabilities for critical illness and disability insurance (which are currently offered offline). “It’s all related,” says Invisor CEO Pramod Udiaver.

In April, Wealthsimple introduced a high-interest savings account paying an impressive 1.7% annualized interest (not an introductory rate) with no minimum account balance and no withdrawal fees. Several robo-advisors are going after group RRSPs for small and medium businesses.

In the first three months of 2018, Nest Wealth signed up 200 employers after launching group RRSPs with three corporate partners. WealthBar also offers insurance and has a group RRSP offering with about two dozen employers. While robo-advisor benefits aren’t just about costs, low fees are obviously a huge part of their appeal.

Pretty much every robo-advisor does a fee comparison on their website which shows you can save a bundle in fees compared to investing with a conventional advisor using mutual funds. But comparing regular robo-advisor offerings that provide very limited advice with full-service mutual fund advisors isn’t an apples-to-apples comparison since the advice level isn’t generally comparable.

(As a side note, some robo-advisors do these fee comparisons without counting the fees embedded in the ETFs they use, which is misleading.)

Value in hybrids

But the thing about the new hybrid options is it allows you to save fees when the level of advice is comparable or maybe even higher compared to conventional advice. To see how, consider the example of Sandi Martin, an advice only certified financial planner with Spring Financial Planning, who prepares comprehensive financial plans for clients nationwide from Gravenhurst, Ontario, and who is also co-host of the Because Money podcast. In her financial planning work, she collaborates with her client’s investments advisor, who manages the investments.

While she happily works with whichever investments advisor her clients use, she also maintains a list of recommended robo-advisors and low-fee conventional advisors for clients to choose from if they’re looking to make a change. (While some robo-advisors provide basic financial planning, expect comprehensive financial plans like the ones prepared by Martin will go into far greater depth.)

Her recommended list includes robo-advisors Wealthsimple, Nest Wealth, and Justwealth, as well as low-fee conventional firms like Steadyhand, and Leith Wheeler.

Robo-advisors are usually willing to collect the planner’s fees for them from the investment account, but Martin chooses to bill clients directly for her services. While her fees vary according to client needs, Martin typically charges about $3,750 plus HST to prepare a comprehensive financial plan with a few years of follow-up monitoring and check-ins for a middle class couple with kids and reasonably straightforward planning needs.

That seems like a big cheque to write, but clients don’t usually need a comprehensive financial plan every year, so in many cases it’s reasonable to think of its value as being spread notionally over, say, four years. That results in an annualized expense of $1,060 or 0.35% of assets once HST is incorporated.

Robo-advisor fees including HST amount to $1,188 or 0.40% of assets (using Wealthsimple fees as an example). The fees embedded in ETFs used by Wealthsimple average about $750 a year or 0.25%. That brings the all-in annual fees for financial planning and investment management to about $3,000 a year or 1.0% of assets in this example. By comparison, a mutual fund advisor typically charges around 2.2% of assets per year on a balanced account, which works out in this case to $6,600 in actual dollars, or more than twice as much. Some mutual fund advisors give great financial advice and provide lots of value; others not so much.

Some provide regular, well-constructed comprehensive financial plans as part of their services; others not at all. But the bottom line is the average mutual fund advisor is going be very hard pressed to provide equal value for the $6,600 in annual fees that they typically charge for a middle class couple like this compared to the value that Sandi Martin teamed with a robo-advisor can provide for $3,000 a year.

And that is pretty clear evidence as to why the hybrid approach appears poised to transform the investment industry.